Roger Bagula
2009-03-16 16:16:35 UTC
But real-life economic systems, Mandelbrot said, are "dominated by
details"--the extreme cases, and specifically the outer 5 percent, are
just as important as the rest of the data. To prove his point,
Mandelbrot showed a graph of the S&P since 1985, overlaid with the
same data minus the wild swings that constitute the outliers. The two
graphs were completely different, implying that to ignore the extreme
cases is to ignore reality.
_/*"Prices do not have any element of physical inertia,"details"--the extreme cases, and specifically the outer 5 percent, are
just as important as the rest of the data. To prove his point,
Mandelbrot showed a graph of the S&P since 1985, overlaid with the
same data minus the wild swings that constitute the outliers. The two
graphs were completely different, implying that to ignore the extreme
cases is to ignore reality.
*/_
The markets behave more like a crowd of people than a physical system
where there is a contagious element to the behavior.
If someone yells "fire", you can get a stampede._/*
*/_
http://www.sciam.com/blog/60-second-science/post.cfm?id=benoit-mandelbrot-and-the-wildness-2009-03-13
Mar 13, 2009 05:10 PM
<http://www.sciam.com/blog/60-second-science/post.cfm?id=benoit-mandelbrot-and-the-wildness-2009-03-13#comments>
Benoit Mandelbrot and the wildness of financial markets
By John Matson
<http://www.sciam.com/blog/60-second-science/index.cfm?author=1237>
In a lecture at Columbia University this week, famed fractal pioneer
Benoit Mandelbrot once again inveighed against traditional economic
theories, returning at a time of financial malaise to many of the
points he raised in a 1999 /Scientific American/ feature
<http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=multifractals-explain-wall-street>.
(In September 2008, as the U.S. economy began to shake, editor Gary
Stix provided a brief recap of Mandelbrot's article and the ensuing
response from readers in this blog post
<http://www.sciam.com/blog/60-second-science/post.cfm?id=mathematicians-predicted-stock-mark-2008-09-16>.)
Mandelbrot, 84, spoke at the Festival della Matematica, or Mathematics
Festival, an event produced jointly in Rome and New York City by a
consortium of Italian governmental and cultural agencies.
A persistent complaint levied by the Wolf Prize-winning French
mathematician <http://www.wolffund.org.il/full.asp?id=116>: many
economic models ignore dramatic jumps, whether in a commodity's price
or in an index such as the S&P 500, treating them as outliers. But
real-life economic systems, Mandelbrot said, are "dominated by
details"--the extreme cases, and specifically the outer 5 percent, are
just as important as the rest of the data. To prove his point,
Mandelbrot showed a graph of the S&P since 1985, overlaid with the
same data minus the wild swings that constitute the outliers. The two
graphs were completely different, implying that to ignore the extreme
cases is to ignore reality. "I'm extremely visual," Mandelbrot said.
"Often the pictures suggest the deeper truth underlying the formulas."
Mandelbrot also has beef with economists who model prices for shares
or commodities using variations on so-called random walks
<http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=how-randomness-rules-our-world>,
which assume that the price at any given moment depends on what it was
the moment before. But prices, Mandelbrot noted, can be discontinuous,
jumping instantly from one value to another without any graduated
transition--more like a random teleportation. _/*"Prices do not have
any element of physical inertia,"*/_ Mandelbrot said by way of
illustrating the difference between economics and physical science
<http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=the-economist-has-no-clothes>, a
difference that he said is all too often ignored. "A very large part
of economic theory is just physical theory with the words changed," he
said.
Theories grounded in the physical sciences, Mandelbrot said, presume
that the markets harbor elements of randomness, but in a form that he
calls "mild randomness." Mild randomness is embodied by the roulette
wheel at a casino--each spin is random but over time the distribution
of winning numbers averages out. (And, of course, over time the casino
wins out.) He contends that more realistic models of
economics--including, naturally, models based on fractals--are driven
by "wild randomness," wherein things don't average out and individual
freak occurrences matter. This wildness, he said, "imitates real
phenomena in a very strong way."
Mandelbrot took care to note that economics is just one field that he
has investigated in his decades of work on fractals and mathematical
modeling. But it's certainly a timely one: a book on fractal-based
financial risk management that he co-wrote in 2004 ("before things
were bad"), called /The (Mis)Behavior of Markets/
<http://www.amazon.com/Mis-behavior-Markets-Benoit-Mandelbrot/dp/0465043550>,
has recently begun "selling like hotcakes," he said.
For more on the fractal pioneer, see this /Scientific American
/article
<http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=mandelbrot-set-1990-horgan> on
the disputed provenance of the Mandelbrot set from the April 1990
issue--an issue, incidentally, that featured a back-page essay by a
Tennessee senator named Al Gore
<http://www.sciam.com/blog/60-second-science/post.cfm?id=al-gore-nabs-elusive-award-triple-c-2009-02-09>.
/Photo of Mandelbrot at Columbia © John Matson/Scientific American/
<http://www.sciam.com/blog/60-second-science/post.cfm?id=benoit-mandelbrot-and-the-wildness-2009-03-13#comments>
Benoit Mandelbrot and the wildness of financial markets
By John Matson
<http://www.sciam.com/blog/60-second-science/index.cfm?author=1237>
In a lecture at Columbia University this week, famed fractal pioneer
Benoit Mandelbrot once again inveighed against traditional economic
theories, returning at a time of financial malaise to many of the
points he raised in a 1999 /Scientific American/ feature
<http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=multifractals-explain-wall-street>.
(In September 2008, as the U.S. economy began to shake, editor Gary
Stix provided a brief recap of Mandelbrot's article and the ensuing
response from readers in this blog post
<http://www.sciam.com/blog/60-second-science/post.cfm?id=mathematicians-predicted-stock-mark-2008-09-16>.)
Mandelbrot, 84, spoke at the Festival della Matematica, or Mathematics
Festival, an event produced jointly in Rome and New York City by a
consortium of Italian governmental and cultural agencies.
A persistent complaint levied by the Wolf Prize-winning French
mathematician <http://www.wolffund.org.il/full.asp?id=116>: many
economic models ignore dramatic jumps, whether in a commodity's price
or in an index such as the S&P 500, treating them as outliers. But
real-life economic systems, Mandelbrot said, are "dominated by
details"--the extreme cases, and specifically the outer 5 percent, are
just as important as the rest of the data. To prove his point,
Mandelbrot showed a graph of the S&P since 1985, overlaid with the
same data minus the wild swings that constitute the outliers. The two
graphs were completely different, implying that to ignore the extreme
cases is to ignore reality. "I'm extremely visual," Mandelbrot said.
"Often the pictures suggest the deeper truth underlying the formulas."
Mandelbrot also has beef with economists who model prices for shares
or commodities using variations on so-called random walks
<http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=how-randomness-rules-our-world>,
which assume that the price at any given moment depends on what it was
the moment before. But prices, Mandelbrot noted, can be discontinuous,
jumping instantly from one value to another without any graduated
transition--more like a random teleportation. _/*"Prices do not have
any element of physical inertia,"*/_ Mandelbrot said by way of
illustrating the difference between economics and physical science
<http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=the-economist-has-no-clothes>, a
difference that he said is all too often ignored. "A very large part
of economic theory is just physical theory with the words changed," he
said.
Theories grounded in the physical sciences, Mandelbrot said, presume
that the markets harbor elements of randomness, but in a form that he
calls "mild randomness." Mild randomness is embodied by the roulette
wheel at a casino--each spin is random but over time the distribution
of winning numbers averages out. (And, of course, over time the casino
wins out.) He contends that more realistic models of
economics--including, naturally, models based on fractals--are driven
by "wild randomness," wherein things don't average out and individual
freak occurrences matter. This wildness, he said, "imitates real
phenomena in a very strong way."
Mandelbrot took care to note that economics is just one field that he
has investigated in his decades of work on fractals and mathematical
modeling. But it's certainly a timely one: a book on fractal-based
financial risk management that he co-wrote in 2004 ("before things
were bad"), called /The (Mis)Behavior of Markets/
<http://www.amazon.com/Mis-behavior-Markets-Benoit-Mandelbrot/dp/0465043550>,
has recently begun "selling like hotcakes," he said.
For more on the fractal pioneer, see this /Scientific American
/article
<http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=mandelbrot-set-1990-horgan> on
the disputed provenance of the Mandelbrot set from the April 1990
issue--an issue, incidentally, that featured a back-page essay by a
Tennessee senator named Al Gore
<http://www.sciam.com/blog/60-second-science/post.cfm?id=al-gore-nabs-elusive-award-triple-c-2009-02-09>.
/Photo of Mandelbrot at Columbia © John Matson/Scientific American/