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Forward: The Fractal Art Manifesto (by Kerry Mitchell)
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Roger Bagula
2006-12-31 15:38:21 UTC
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ttp://www.fractalus.com/info/manifesto.htm
Roger Bagula
2006-12-31 17:03:25 UTC
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Post by Roger Bagula
ttp://www.fractalus.com/info/manifesto.htm
That's:
http://www.fractalus.com/info/manifesto.htm

Let's see if there is anyone paying attention here:
The Jackson Pollock question:
1) "It is impossible to make a forgery of Jackson Pollock's work,"
2) Taylor:
Jackson Pollock painted fractal art.
3) All fractal art is "painted by the numbers":
that is : it is "machine painted".
4) All reproductions and prints are of less value than one off "originals"
that are unforged.

Inductively then:
All fractal art is worth less than human painted art which is "one off"
and "original".
( the key words here are "worth less"....)
For the sake of all fractal artists this doctrine has to be false
since their art only comes from the computer printer
or pictures of a computer screen.

Those of you that think you are above" The Jackson Pollock question "
should realize that this argument affects the acceptance of all art
that has "fractal" associated with it.

If this treatment of art doesn't make you angry,
then you don't get it
and aren't paying attention?

They want to buy these fellows "original art"
for less
because they can only produce it
using machines.
They admit it is "original" and "creative", but ...
616
2007-01-03 15:21:50 UTC
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Merry New Year, y'all, and a Happy... christ... you know what I mean :)
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Post by Roger Bagula
ttp://www.fractalus.com/info/manifesto.htm
http://www.fractalus.com/info/manifesto.htm
1) "It is impossible to make a forgery of Jackson Pollock's work,"
I disagree. It is possible to make a forgery of ANY work, though a
perfect copy would be more difficult, probably impossible.
Post by Roger Bagula
Jackson Pollock painted fractal art.
that is : it is "machine painted".
Contradictory statements.
If 2) then not 3); and if 3) then not 2).
IMHO Pollock produced art of a fractal structure, but the term "fractal
art" is not very well defined in my head (yes, I read the manifesto).
Post by Roger Bagula
4) All reproductions and prints are of less value than one off "originals"
that are unforged.
I agree, to some extent. It does somehow make sense that an original
painting (containing the 3D surface-structure etc.) is 'cooler' to have
hanging on the wall than a stunningly sharp reprint of the same work.
Post by Roger Bagula
All fractal art is worth less than human painted art which is "one off"
and "original".
( the key words here are "worth less"....)
In pure economic value; absolutely! (though this is not necessarily fair
to the fractal artist who might spend hundreds of hours composing
his/her art).
Post by Roger Bagula
For the sake of all fractal artists this doctrine has to be false
since their art only comes from the computer printer
or pictures of a computer screen.
Those of you that think you are above" The Jackson Pollock question "
should realize that this argument affects the acceptance of all art
that has "fractal" associated with it.
If this treatment of art doesn't make you angry,
then you don't get it
and aren't paying attention?
They want to buy these fellows "original art"
for less
because they can only produce it
using machines.
They admit it is "original" and "creative", but ...
To me, the main difference is that art generated using a computer and a
printer can be perfectly reproduced and hence there might exist
thousands of exactly identical copies (assuming a superb-quality
printer...).
Whereas an artwork which truly is one-of-a-kind and includes some
3D-texture (ie: painting, woodwork, et.al.) is not perfectly
reproducible, no matter how good a photocopier you have...

But don't get me wrong; the work/time involved and the eye needed to
generate good (whatever that means) fractal art is also worth a fair
penny and a mediocre painting isn't worth jack sh** no matter how unique.
And I for one truly enjoy my fractal wallposters, even though there must
be millions of copies worldwide of those exact images.
=)
/BG -The value of Art is in the eyes of the beholder.
Roger Bagula
2007-01-03 20:03:48 UTC
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Post by 616
-The value of Art is in the eyes of the beholder.
Hey, I'm just thankful the whole world isn't as dead
as it has seemed here for the last couple of weeks, ha, ha...
616
2007-01-03 20:25:14 UTC
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Post by Roger Bagula
Post by 616
-The value of Art is in the eyes of the beholder.
Hey, I'm just thankful the whole world isn't as dead
as it has seemed here for the last couple of weeks, ha, ha...
hehehe...
I for one keep checking in on the group, though I post very seldomly,
not feeling I have too much to add ;)

/Barney -loves fractals and is in the process of trying to find out more
about the math and the applications in the field of continuum physics
Roger Bagula
2007-01-04 14:41:15 UTC
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One thing that fractals seem to tell us
is that there seems to be beauty "built in"
to the universe
( they come from natural mathematical laws).

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,,1980978,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=1
No religion and an end to war: how thinkers see the future


Alok Jha, science correspondent
Monday January 1, 2007
The Guardian

People's fascination for religion and superstition will disappear within
a few decades as television and the internet make it easier to get
information, and scientists get closer to discovering a final theory of
everything, leading thinkers argue today.

The web magazine Edge (www.edge.org) asked more than 150 scientists and
intellectuals: "What are you optimistic about?" Answers included hope
for an extended human life span, a bright future for autistic children,
and an end to violent conflicts around the world.

Philosopher Daniel Denett believes that within 25 years religion will
command little of the awe it seems to instil today. The spread of
information through the internet and mobile phones will "gently,
irresistibly, undermine the mindsets requisite for religious fanaticism
and intolerance".

Biologist Richard Dawkins said that physicists would give religion
another problem: a theory of everything that would complete Albert
Einstein's dream of unifying the fundamental laws of physics. "This
final scientific enlightenment will deal an overdue death blow to
religion and other juvenile superstitions."

Part of that final theory will be formulated by scientists working on
the Large Hadron Collider, a particle accelerator at Cern in Geneva,
which is to be switched on this year. It will smash protons together to
help scientists understand what makes up the most fundamental bits of
the universe.

Steven Pinker, a psychologist at Harvard University, highlighted the
decline of violence: "Most people, sickened by the bloody history of the
20th century, find this claim incredible. Yet, as far as I know, every
systematic attempt to document the prevalence of violence over centuries
and millennia (and, for that matter, the past 50 years), particularly in
the west, has shown the overall trend is downward."

John Horgan, of the Stevens Institute of Technology, New Jersey, was
optimistic "that one day war - large-scale, organised group violence -
will end once and for all".

This will also be the year that we get to grips with our genomes. George
Church, a geneticist at Harvard Medical School, believes we will learn
"so much more about ourselves and how we interact with our environment
and fellow humans".

Simon Baron-Cohen, a psychologist at Cambridge University, focused on
autistic children, saying their outlook had never been better. "There is
a remarkably good fit between the autistic mind and the digital age," he
said. "Many develop an intuitive understanding of computers, in the same
way other children develop an intuitive understanding of people."

Leo Chalupa, a neurobiologist at the University of California, Davis,
predicted that, by the middle of this century, it would not be uncommon
for people to lead active lives well beyond the age of 100. He added:
"We will be able to regenerate parts of the brain that have been worn
out. So better start thinking what you'll be doing with all those extra
years."

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